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closek_on units
Posted by pcdriscoll on 01 Feb 2012 at 15:21 GMT
Nice article.
Shouldn't the units of kon be L.mol.s-1?
In addition, and relevant to your work I think, I have always been intrigued whether on-rates measured by SPR or BLI reflect formation of the binary encounter complex, or of the 'fully' formed complex. Indeed are these optical methods sensitive to the different phases of bimolecular association. [Note: I don't know how many of the on-rates that you compiled were measured this way.]
RE: k_on units
IMoal replied to pcdriscoll on 02 Feb 2012 at 13:29 GMT
Thank you for your comments. What exactly is being measured in these experiments is indeed important. The on rates are reported in units of M^(-1)s^(-1), which was by far the most common convention we found in the literature. Very few, if any, of the rates were measured using BLI, although many were determined by SPR. It is our understanding that the resonance angle is sensitive to any material in the nanometers above the surface, so presumably the encounter complex is being detected. We are told that the response is linear with mass concentration, which suggest to us that SPR can't be used to tell the difference between a diffuse or narrow ensemble. That said, neither of us are experts. As for the relevance to our work, if we exclude extreme examples like the mutant EIN-HPr complex studied by Tang et. al (Nature, 444, 7117:383-6.), then the encounter complex is only sparsely populated relative to the bound and unbound states (FEBS Lett., 583, 7:1060-6.). It follows that the microscopic rates of dissociation/association from the encounter complex are fast compared to the macroscopic rate constants. Once we account for experimental uncertainties, unmodelled pH, buffer, ionic strength and temperature effects, as well as the errors associated with the conformational sampling and energy calculation methods, then the influence of the experimental 'bound' including the twilight zone between dissociated and tightly bound is likely absorbed into the noise.
Iain Moal and Paul Bates
RE: RE: k_on units
pcdriscoll replied to IMoal on 20 Feb 2012 at 15:17 GMT
Thanks for your comment. Sorry to be pedantic but the published article uses k_on units of mol-1.s-1 and not M-1.s-1 (where I understand molarity M = mol.L-1) and so there is still scope for confusion (I would not be so picky if I did not teach this stuff bang on to students about k_on having units of (inverse concentration x inverse time).
Cheers,
Paul
RE: RE: RE: k_on units
IMoal replied to pcdriscoll on 26 Mar 2012 at 13:06 GMT
Dear Paul,
Apologies for the delay in responding. You are right, I did not adhere to correct nomenclature and the article does erroneously contain units of mol-1.s-1 and not M-1.s-1. Corrections have been submitted and should appear as notes above. Thank you for pointing this out.
Iain Moal